Comments on: 2009 Pro Football Hall of Fame Inductees http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/ Two Linemen, Dropping Into Coverage Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:57:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: bachslunch http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-3052 bachslunch Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:25:13 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-3052 Problems with Rich Perez's HoF musts, not to mention misuse of stats in some cases: --Jim Marshall played 20 years and was a 1st team all pro zero times, pro bowler only twice. Those stats certainly mean something, and they don't suggest a significant HoF snub. And a major consecutive game streak alone does not automatically make a player HoF worthy, or Everett Scott would be in the Baseball HoF. --Rickey Watters pales compared to his more-or-less contemporary Marshall Faulk, who was a similar type of all-around back and has much better numbers. And Roger Craig has the same issues, adjusting to era. --Mark Clayton is best compared to players like contemporaries Mark Duper and Gary Clark, and it's not clear why he belongs in while the rest don't. Especially given that close contemporary Andre Reed hasn't even gotten in yet, and he has better raw stats. And comparing Clayton's raw stats to those of someone already in the HoF like Paul Warfield is very misleading, as such numbers don't translate well across eras. They need some sort of time-period adjustment. --comparing Ken Stabler to great shorter career players like Roger Staubach or a Hall of the Very Good type with significant postseason game success such as Terry Bradshaw (4 SB wins) makes no sense at all. In fact, Stabler's numbers aren't as good as those of his contemporary Ken Anderson. Elect Anderson first, then let's talk about Stabler. --I'm all for Joey Browner getting in the HoF. Problem is, the HoF voters don't much seem to like safeties, and that includes worthy contemporaries such as Kenny Easley. Browner isn't the only one getting the shaft here. Problems with Rich Perez’s HoF musts, not to mention misuse of stats in some cases:

–Jim Marshall played 20 years and was a 1st team all pro zero times, pro bowler only twice. Those stats certainly mean something, and they don’t suggest a significant HoF snub. And a major consecutive game streak alone does not automatically make a player HoF worthy, or Everett Scott would be in the Baseball HoF.

–Rickey Watters pales compared to his more-or-less contemporary Marshall Faulk, who was a similar type of all-around back and has much better numbers. And Roger Craig has the same issues, adjusting to era.

–Mark Clayton is best compared to players like contemporaries Mark Duper and Gary Clark, and it’s not clear why he belongs in while the rest don’t. Especially given that close contemporary Andre Reed hasn’t even gotten in yet, and he has better raw stats. And comparing Clayton’s raw stats to those of someone already in the HoF like Paul Warfield is very misleading, as such numbers don’t translate well across eras. They need some sort of time-period adjustment.

–comparing Ken Stabler to great shorter career players like Roger Staubach or a Hall of the Very Good type with significant postseason game success such as Terry Bradshaw (4 SB wins) makes no sense at all. In fact, Stabler’s numbers aren’t as good as those of his contemporary Ken Anderson. Elect Anderson first, then let’s talk about Stabler.

–I’m all for Joey Browner getting in the HoF. Problem is, the HoF voters don’t much seem to like safeties, and that includes worthy contemporaries such as Kenny Easley. Browner isn’t the only one getting the shaft here.

]]> By: Georgetta Oestmann http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-3013 Georgetta Oestmann Tue, 25 May 2010 15:58:55 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-3013 I think he was involved in a strange gun incident I think he was involved in a strange gun incident

]]> By: Rich Perez http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-2895 Rich Perez Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:43:42 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-2895 OK Here are 5 that are always OVERLOOKED and WILL GET IN EVENTUALLY;LOOK AT THEIR STATS FOLKS! JIM MARSHALL-VIKINGS-Iron Man and solid! RICKY WATTERS-49ers-Over 10K yards and a great career in 3 cities, over 1000 each team record. JOEY BROWNER-VIKINGS*Starter all 80's TEAM!!! MARK CLAYTON-DOLPHINS-Compare to any HOFamer at WR, Claytons Better other than Rice. KEN STABLER-RAIDERS-Wow, Much better numbers than STAUBACH and BRADSHAW COMPARISONS OK Here are 5 that are always OVERLOOKED and WILL GET IN EVENTUALLY;LOOK AT THEIR STATS FOLKS!

JIM MARSHALL-VIKINGS-Iron Man and solid!
RICKY WATTERS-49ers-Over 10K yards and a great career in 3 cities, over 1000 each team record.
JOEY BROWNER-VIKINGS*Starter all 80′s TEAM!!!
MARK CLAYTON-DOLPHINS-Compare to any HOFamer at WR, Claytons Better other than Rice.
KEN STABLER-RAIDERS-Wow, Much better numbers than STAUBACH and BRADSHAW COMPARISONS

]]> By: rstan http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-1904 rstan Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:10:02 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-1904 The Canton game is just around the corner. Many of the legends of the NFL past will gather to talk about great players and great times. One player that has been on the senior's list since 1993 is offensive lineman, Dick Stanfel. He was the sole senior nominee in 1993 and failed to be voted into the hall. He is the topic of much conversation particularly among players of his era. Dick played on 2 outstanding Detroit Lions Championship teams '52 and '53. They lost to Cleveland in '54. In 1953, Dick played on a team that featured five HOF members -Doak Walker, Joe Schmidt, Yale Lary, Jack Christiansen, and Lou Creekmur. That year, he was named MVP of the Detroit Lions. The only offensive lineman, to ever be given an MVP award. Dick went on to be All-Pro 5 times and elected to the Pro Bowl 5 times as well. The biggest "knock" on his career is that he didn't play enough years (8). He retired as an All-Pro lineman in 1958 and probably had another 3-4 years of playing left in the tank. Instead, an opportunity to coach came along. In those days, playing did not pay much more than coaching, so he opted to start a coaching career. That career lasted almost 40 years with over 30 of them in the NFL mostly as a distinguished o-line coach. I'm sure if Dick could 'do it over', he would have chosen to play enough years to make him a lock for the HOF. I think the way you look at a player of Dick Stanfel's credentials is to evaluate it based on productivity as opposed to longevity because of the era. 8 years- 5 All Pro, 5 Pro Bowls, 1 MVP as a lineman. Go to Canton or a card show and ask anyone who played with/against him. His peers think he is deserving as well. Dick Stanfel is deserving of a renomination to the HOF as a senior member. The Canton game is just around the corner. Many of the legends of the NFL past will gather to talk about great players and great times. One player that has been on the senior’s list since 1993 is offensive lineman, Dick Stanfel. He was the sole senior nominee in 1993 and failed to be voted into the hall. He is the topic of much conversation particularly among players of his era. Dick played on 2 outstanding Detroit Lions Championship teams ’52 and ’53. They lost to Cleveland in ’54. In 1953, Dick played on a team that featured five HOF members -Doak Walker, Joe Schmidt, Yale Lary, Jack Christiansen, and Lou Creekmur. That year, he was named MVP of the Detroit Lions. The only offensive lineman, to ever be given an MVP award. Dick went on to be All-Pro 5 times and elected to the Pro Bowl 5 times as well.
The biggest “knock” on his career is that he didn’t play enough years (8). He retired as an All-Pro lineman in 1958 and probably had another 3-4 years of playing left in the tank. Instead, an opportunity to coach came along. In those days, playing did not pay much more than coaching, so he opted to start a coaching career. That career lasted almost 40 years with over 30 of them in the NFL mostly as a distinguished o-line coach.
I’m sure if Dick could ‘do it over’, he would have chosen to play enough years to make him a lock for the HOF. I think the way you look at a player of Dick Stanfel’s credentials is to evaluate it based on productivity as opposed to longevity because of the era. 8 years- 5 All Pro, 5 Pro Bowls, 1 MVP as a lineman.
Go to Canton or a card show and ask anyone who played with/against him. His peers think he is deserving as well. Dick Stanfel is deserving of a renomination to the HOF as a senior member.

]]> By: Tony P http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-1494 Tony P Thu, 23 Apr 2009 06:10:29 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-1494 Steve, Good to see you on the site. As a Texan and student of the game I certianly have heard of your Dad. I know he was instrumental in the Titans Championships and a star in the early days of the AFL. I didn't include him and other AFL players because only one player (Billy Shaw) with an AFL only career has been inducted to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. If I would of known you could of added him. I'm glad to hear he'll be on the upcoming Ballot. I hope he does well. As I'm sure you know your Dad is in the AFL Hall of Fame along with several other deserving superstars of their day. Anyone can check them out at http://www.conigliofamily.com/AFLHallofFamePhotos.htm#CharlieHennigan Steve,

Good to see you on the site. As a Texan and student of the game I certianly have heard of your Dad. I know he was instrumental in the Titans Championships and a star in the early days of the AFL.

I didn’t include him and other AFL players because only one player (Billy Shaw) with an AFL only career has been inducted to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. If I would of known you could of added him. I’m glad to hear he’ll be on the upcoming Ballot. I hope he does well.

As I’m sure you know your Dad is in the AFL Hall of Fame along with several other deserving superstars of their day. Anyone can check them out at http://www.conigliofamily.com/AFLHallofFamePhotos.htm#CharlieHennigan

]]> By: Steve Hennigan http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-1491 Steve Hennigan Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:01:27 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-1491 I note that no one here seems to remember my dad Charlie Hennigan, who was instrumental in helping the Oilers to 2 championships. He was a five time all pro who in only 7 seasons and a little over a hundred games still holds the Titans Career TD reception record. He was the first pro receiver to catch over 100 passes, and this in a 14 game season. His 1961 (Oilers championship) season average yards per game is greater than that of any pro receiver in the history of professional football. He'll be on next years senior ballot. He has not been properly recognized. Steve Hennigan, MD I note that no one here seems to remember my dad Charlie Hennigan, who was instrumental in helping the Oilers to 2 championships. He was a five time all pro who in only 7 seasons and a little over a hundred games still holds the Titans Career TD reception record. He was the first pro receiver to catch over 100 passes, and this in a 14 game season. His 1961 (Oilers championship) season average yards per game is greater than that of any pro receiver in the history of professional football. He’ll be on next years senior ballot. He has not been properly recognized.
Steve Hennigan, MD

]]> By: 2010 Pro Football Hall of Fame Inductees | Zoneblitz.com http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-1229 2010 Pro Football Hall of Fame Inductees | Zoneblitz.com Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:58:30 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-1229 [...] 2009 Pro Football Hall of Fame Inductees post had a lot of discussion around it, so we figured we’d better come back and take a chance [...] [...] 2009 Pro Football Hall of Fame Inductees post had a lot of discussion around it, so we figured we’d better come back and take a chance [...]

]]> By: Tony http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-1228 Tony Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:26:01 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-1228 In case you're following this thread, but not the <a href="http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/01/30/pro-football-hall-of-fame-class-of-2010-senior-list/" rel="nofollow">2010 Senior Candidate</a> thread, I posted Zoneblitz's thoughts on the 2010 Pro Football Hall of Fame Class: http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/02/10/2010-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/ In case you’re following this thread, but not the 2010 Senior Candidate thread, I posted Zoneblitz’s thoughts on the 2010 Pro Football Hall of Fame Class:

http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/02/10/2010-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/

]]> By: Brad http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-1224 Brad Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:53:26 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-1224 I thought Tim Brown was a lock like a couple of months ago, now when i look at his stats, he isnt a lock, but he will get in. What do you people think about gary anderson next season? I think he will get in. I thought Tim Brown was a lock like a couple of months ago, now when i look at his stats, he isnt a lock, but he will get in. What do you people think about gary anderson next season? I think he will get in.

]]> By: Billy http://www.zoneblitz.com/2008/08/08/2009-pro-football-hall-of-fame-inductees/#comment-1223 Billy Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:07:24 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=243#comment-1223 Bob kuechenberg will wait like two years and then the Vet committee will nominate him just like Claude Humphrey. Hopefully he will have a better Fate than Humphrey though. If Cris Carter has to wait awhile, than Andre Reed must feel like he will never get in. Tim Brown is not the lock I thought he was, when he retired. At positions like WR, CB, S there are incredible logjams. Bob kuechenberg will wait like two years and then the Vet committee will nominate him just like Claude Humphrey. Hopefully he will have a better Fate than Humphrey though.

If Cris Carter has to wait awhile, than Andre Reed must feel like he will never get in. Tim Brown is not the lock I thought he was, when he retired.

At positions like WR, CB, S there are incredible logjams.

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