Comments on: LeBeau, Little Nominated for the 2010 Hall of Fame Class http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/ Two Linemen, Dropping Into Coverage Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:00:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dick LeBeau, former Lion great, inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame « Smash Mouth Politics http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2671 Dick LeBeau, former Lion great, inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame « Smash Mouth Politics Sun, 07 Feb 2010 15:30:09 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2671 [...] “He was a 3 time pro-bowler, and still holds the record for consecutive games played as a cornerback/safety, with 171.” [...] [...] “He was a 3 time pro-bowler, and still holds the record for consecutive games played as a cornerback/safety, with 171.” [...]

]]> By: Pro Football Hall of Fame 2010 Announcement - Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith... | Zoneblitz.com http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2647 Pro Football Hall of Fame 2010 Announcement - Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith... | Zoneblitz.com Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:05:29 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2647 [...] year’s senior finalists, Floyd Little and Dick LeBeau, were controversial when they were announced in August. But in the end both made the [...] [...] year’s senior finalists, Floyd Little and Dick LeBeau, were controversial when they were announced in August. But in the end both made the [...]

]]> By: Powderfingers http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2508 Powderfingers Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:44:04 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2508 Floyd Little deserves it because he played for a perrenial loser and still produced as one of the greatest All-around players the game will ever see. A legend who both Elway and Jim Brown state should be in the HOF. His impact on one of only 20-some teams at the time should not be discounted. He obviously did not have the Hogs-type line to block for him and was the Broncos only real threat who defenses keyed on every play. Stats are nice but you have to look at the whole picture and impact on the game. He took a franchise on his shoulders, saved it, and taught it how to win... just ask Elway who wrote about him in his book. Little was not "little" even though you like to joke that way. Read 'America's Game' by the way. Greatest book ever about the NFL. Floyd Little deserves it because he played for a perrenial loser and still produced as
one of the greatest All-around players the game will ever see. A legend who both Elway and
Jim Brown state should be in the HOF. His impact on one of only 20-some teams at the time should
not be discounted. He obviously did not have the Hogs-type line to block for him and was the Broncos
only real threat who defenses keyed on every play. Stats are nice but you have to look at the whole picture and
impact on the game. He took a franchise on his shoulders, saved it, and taught it how to win… just ask
Elway who wrote about him in his book. Little was not “little” even though you like to joke that way. Read ‘America’s Game’ by the way. Greatest book ever about the NFL.

]]> By: Tony P http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2410 Tony P Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:29:54 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2410 Who??!! LOL!! Who??!! LOL!!

]]> By: Brad http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2407 Brad Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:13:14 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2407 Can Andy Farkas,Lee Artoe,Dick Todd, Cecil Isbell(how isn't this guy in!), Tommy Thompson,Pug Manders, and Willie Wilkin make the Senior Nominee? Can Andy Farkas,Lee Artoe,Dick Todd, Cecil Isbell(how isn’t this guy in!), Tommy Thompson,Pug Manders, and Willie Wilkin make the Senior Nominee?

]]> By: Tony P http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2213 Tony P Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:21:24 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2213 I agree that drastic change needs to be made and suggestions have been made on this site previously. I too am not sure that a panel of all HOFers would be good. Seem like diversity would be the best. First their needs to be areement that fundamental change is required. That won't be easy because the folks being given the power won't give it up easily. We need to find out the main powers to be within the HOF. I agree that drastic change needs to be made and suggestions have been made on this site previously. I too am not sure that a panel of all HOFers would be good. Seem like diversity would be the best.

First their needs to be areement that fundamental change is required. That won’t be easy because the folks being given the power won’t give it up easily. We need to find out the main powers to be within the HOF.

]]> By: bachslunch http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2210 bachslunch Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:55:55 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2210 M Goss, I'm really starting to see things your way on this issue, given how poorly the HoF committee's voting record has become the last couple years (Fred Dean in? Seriously? And "No" votes for Randy Gradishar and Claude Humphrey in what may be their last chances? They've pretty much squandered the good will they gained by astutely electing Roger Wehrli a couple years ago). Not to mention how weak or just plain bad the Senior Nominees have been the past few years (Marshall freakin' Goldberg? Bob Hayes? Emmitt Thomas? Dick LeBeau? Floyd Little? Gag. Meanwhile several eminently worthwhile candidates ranging from Lavvie Dilweg to Al Wistert to Jimmy Patton to Mick Tingelhoff yearly go nowhere). Not to mention in addition the worthy players who have never reached regular candidate finalist stage (Harold Jackson, Harold Carmichael, Robert Brazile, ad nauseum). The regular HoF voters used to be more astute and consistent despite some unfortunate snubs -- but they never used to elect the Fred Deans and Emmitt Thomasas of the football world. I'm not sure a panel of HoF players and coaches would do much better, though, given that the shameless partisan lobbying of folks such as Jerome Bettis, Rod Woodson, and John Madden is the norm rather than the exception -- not to mention how badly such selection committees have sometimes done for the Baseball Hall of Fame (crappy non-deserving players like George Kelly and Jesse Haines get rammed through the Veterans Committee into the HoF by the Frankie Frisches of the world, and now the opposite extreme where a voting poll hasn't elected anyone in years) despite some astute choices such as George Davis. Am thinking the best composition of such a committee would consist of truly knowledgeable football historians, like the sort of folks at the Professional Football Researchers Association, guys like Ken Crippen and Bob Gill and Sean Lahman and Rupert Patrick and (before his recent and untimely death) Bob Carroll. There are some seriously able folks there, which is apparently more than can be said for the current Seniors Committee. M Goss, I’m really starting to see things your way on this issue, given how poorly the HoF committee’s voting record has become the last couple years (Fred Dean in? Seriously? And “No” votes for Randy Gradishar and Claude Humphrey in what may be their last chances? They’ve pretty much squandered the good will they gained by astutely electing Roger Wehrli a couple years ago). Not to mention how weak or just plain bad the Senior Nominees have been the past few years (Marshall freakin’ Goldberg? Bob Hayes? Emmitt Thomas? Dick LeBeau? Floyd Little? Gag. Meanwhile several eminently worthwhile candidates ranging from Lavvie Dilweg to Al Wistert to Jimmy Patton to Mick Tingelhoff yearly go nowhere). Not to mention in addition the worthy players who have never reached regular candidate finalist stage (Harold Jackson, Harold Carmichael, Robert Brazile, ad nauseum). The regular HoF voters used to be more astute and consistent despite some unfortunate snubs — but they never used to elect the Fred Deans and Emmitt Thomasas of the football world.

I’m not sure a panel of HoF players and coaches would do much better, though, given that the shameless partisan lobbying of folks such as Jerome Bettis, Rod Woodson, and John Madden is the norm rather than the exception — not to mention how badly such selection committees have sometimes done for the Baseball Hall of Fame (crappy non-deserving players like George Kelly and Jesse Haines get rammed through the Veterans Committee into the HoF by the Frankie Frisches of the world, and now the opposite extreme where a voting poll hasn’t elected anyone in years) despite some astute choices such as George Davis.

Am thinking the best composition of such a committee would consist of truly knowledgeable football historians, like the sort of folks at the Professional Football Researchers Association, guys like Ken Crippen and Bob Gill and Sean Lahman and Rupert Patrick and (before his recent and untimely death) Bob Carroll. There are some seriously able folks there, which is apparently more than can be said for the current Seniors Committee.

]]> By: M Goss http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2208 M Goss Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:40:32 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2208 The time has come for a separate panel to elect the seniors for the pro Football Hall of Fame. As newspapers continue to die, higher paid writers will be let go and those who remain will be well under the age of 40. The majority of the voters will not have seen a game pre 1985 +/-. How can they honestly consider anyone whose career ended before then. The Hall needs to consider changing the Hall of Fame weekend to the following: 1. Have a panel of ten HOF'ers made up of two from the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's and two others to put together a list of 4-5 deserving candidates each year. With all the names mentioned on this site that should be no problem. 2. The regular voters no longer have to consider 2 senior candidates with their players. 3. Have an HOF Dinner Friday night, the senior enshrinement on Saturday, the traditional enshrinement on Sunday, and the HOF game on Monday. The time has come for a separate panel to elect the seniors for the pro Football Hall of Fame. As newspapers continue to die, higher paid writers will be let go and those who remain will be well under the age of 40. The majority of the voters will not have seen a game pre 1985 +/-. How can they honestly consider anyone whose career ended before then. The Hall needs to consider changing the Hall of Fame weekend to the following:
1. Have a panel of ten HOF’ers made up of two from the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s and two others to put together a list of 4-5 deserving candidates each year. With all the names mentioned on this site that should be no problem.
2. The regular voters no longer have to consider 2 senior candidates with their players.
3. Have an HOF Dinner Friday night, the senior enshrinement on Saturday, the traditional enshrinement on Sunday, and the HOF game on Monday.

]]> By: bachslunch http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2206 bachslunch Fri, 25 Sep 2009 07:22:12 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2206 Ottis Anderson, like Eddie George and Fred Taylor, will probably end up being among the better RBs not in the HoF. For whatever reason, the HoF voters have decided that's where they'll draw the line at that position. Ottis Anderson, like Eddie George and Fred Taylor, will probably end up being among the better RBs not in the HoF. For whatever reason, the HoF voters have decided that’s where they’ll draw the line at that position.

]]> By: bachslunch http://www.zoneblitz.com/2009/08/25/lbeau-little-nominated-for-the-2010-hall-of-fame-class/#comment-2204 bachslunch Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:23:58 +0000 http://www.zoneblitz.com/?p=1049#comment-2204 Tony P said: "I honestly think Dick LeBeau’s going to have a tough time if the voters are honest and just look at his playing days. " Unfortunately, from what I've seen it looks like several HoF voters aren't going to play fair on this one. It already seems some of these folks are determined to take LeBeau's coaching record into account anyway, even though no coach is supposed to be considered until they've been retired for five years. Really shabby, if you ask me. And I'm thinking it's no coincidence that some of the hardest lobbying pro-LeBeau has come from ex-Steelers like Rod Woodson and Jerome Bettis. Big surprise, but it's just as biased as Denver or Dallas fans whining that their players get no respect or Vikings fans squawking about Jim Marshall or John Madden crowing about Ray Guy. It's all shameless homer-ism and has precious little to do with whether the player in question has any business in the HoF. Tony P said: “I honestly think Dick LeBeau’s going to have a tough time if the voters are honest and just look at his playing days. ”

Unfortunately, from what I’ve seen it looks like several HoF voters aren’t going to play fair on this one. It already seems some of these folks are determined to take LeBeau’s coaching record into account anyway, even though no coach is supposed to be considered until they’ve been retired for five years. Really shabby, if you ask me.

And I’m thinking it’s no coincidence that some of the hardest lobbying pro-LeBeau has come from ex-Steelers like Rod Woodson and Jerome Bettis. Big surprise, but it’s just as biased as Denver or Dallas fans whining that their players get no respect or Vikings fans squawking about Jim Marshall or John Madden crowing about Ray Guy. It’s all shameless homer-ism and has precious little to do with whether the player in question has any business in the HoF.

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